This thread is for a complete discussion of Julian McMahon/Cole Turner, including both the bad and the worse.

Homeboy needs to go away. Pronto.

Free range? The only thing I like free renage are my eggs. But what the heck. I'm in!

Where do I begin?
To tell the story of the man half-filled with sin?
The demon vanquished by his girl, now wearing fins ....
Ooops, sorry ... wrong love story. Although, having said that, it would seem that Phoebe has taken a line out of that trashy old film to heart: "Love means never having to say you're sorry." But I digress.

Start over. 'Cole'. 'Shit'. Both words contain four letters .... No?

Okay, seriously. I do not admire Julian Mcmahon as an actor. Why? Because he can't act. Pretty simple really. He can overact, but that isn't the same thing at all.

I liked the character of Cole when he was first introduced because he was evil (wickedly and deliciously so) and because one never quite knew what he would do next. Until they made the character fall in luurrve. Then it became so effing predictable. There was no drama. There was no suspense. There were not even any sparks between the Cole and Phoebe because they were just another couple. I know there are many who will disagree, but this is my opinion and I ain't budging.

I hate the thing that Cole has become. He is not human. He is not a demon. He is something dead, returned to the land of the living, (with powers of course, because the writers have learnt one thing from their mistakes of S4: that powerless Cole = boring as bat-shit Cole), but we do not expect him to be alive, do we? Surely that is not possible? It certainly is not LOGICAL! So, instead, we are left with a dead guy, lurking around San Francisco waiting to make it with his wife! Ew! And Yuk! And ... Ew, again. What message are we getting here, kiddies?

Am I the only one who thinks this is not only exceedingly creepy, but just bloody stupid? Am I really the only one who sees right through this clear-as-glass plot? Please, someone tell me otherwise.

Ged, you are not alone. I haven't like the character of Cole since the middle of season three, when Phoebe made the choice to not vanquish him, which I believe to be the major turning point for her character. After that one (lack of) action, the integrity of her character took a nosedive, and she started to become completely overwhelmed with her unhealthy obsession with Cole. This is when I started to despise Phoebe. The fact that it's because Phoebe was so blinded by Cole's big, shiny, blue energy balls that she had to go save him instead of be there to help her sisters (which led to Prue's death) didn't do anything for her character in my opinion, either.

After season three's end, I thought it might get better. I thought *hoped* that Cole may have been gloriously vanquished by the Source and the show could go back to the three sisters, and not the sister and the demon and those other two bitches who tag along and say spells. I don't like the Phoebe and Cole Show, and it's time for it to end. Cole wore out his welcome long before he wore out his hair line.

Originally posted by NF
Phoebe was so blinded by Cole's big, shiny, blue energy balls

Ha! Love it.

I had to edit my initial post that started this thread when I looked at it morning, because I've got to say that I couldn't find anything good to discuss. If we were discussing Season 3, I could've possibly come up with a few items, but as of right now I can barely stand the sight of Cole. This is a character that, truth be told, I used to have an inexplicable fondness for.

Julian McMahon, while certainly no great actor or even a great looker, embodied the tortured demon persona. It seemed to cling to every movement he made and every agonized look he sent to Phoebe. I don't know if Julian began to think he was as great as all the praise that was being lavished upon him or that golden statue began to call out to him, swearing that it was his. Whatever it is, the man has lost all focus and seems to have lost the ability to act well altogether. Overact, underact; the man can do everything but the job he was hired to do.

NF and Ged, you've both explained some of the reasons for why we all have come to wish death and destruction upon Cole, so I really have no reason to spend the next hour and a half trying to write my thesis on "Cole: The Rise and Fall of a Character That is Subject to the Whims of Whether or Not Julian McMahon Renews His Contract, Which is Also Subject to Whether or Not the Fans Still Like Him. Oh, and He Won't Go Away No Matter How Much You Kill Him". This isn't to say that I wouldn't like to write that thesis one of these days, but I simply don't have the patience this morning to re-tread ground that's already been covered.

What I'm more interested in discussing, at the moment, is the stupidity of Brad Kern and our pack of crack-addled writers. I don't know who was in charge of putting Phoebe and Cole together on the show, but someone really missed the ship the size of the continent of Africa sailing by with bold letters on it's side proclaiming "Prue and Cole have major chemistry, morons!" Someone really needs punished for that one severely. The writers missed the signs that fans were getting whiplash from all the constant changes in Cole. Lastly, forget the boat, because the writers can't even figure out where in the hell the ocean is when it comes to getting the relationship between Cole and Phoebe to make any sense at all.

When it comes down to it, I can write off a few mistakes that have been made in the last season or two with Cole. I can understand that there was uncertainty about what to do with him at the beginning of Season 4. I can deal with the writers realizing they made a mistake by making Cole human and trying to rectify that. What I can't deal with is the choices the writers are making to try to dig themselves out of the plot cluster-****s that they've created. They're digging in the completely wrong direction, and at this point they're about 3/4 of the way to China.

Well, let's not forget that Constance Burge, the creator of the show, was the first to run screaming from the coupling of Cole and Phoebe, claiming the pair had no chemistry. I rather suspect it was about this time that Constance found herself being shoved unceremoniously out the door.

Oddly enough, the premise of the ancient evil demon and the youngest, niave witch actually worked, at first. But after a while, people with a modicum of intelligence began to ask why the ancient demon would pair with the youngest (although he did use the line, "because she was the most vulnerable") rather than the eldest. Now, dedicated viewers say Prue would never have fallen for Belthazor, she would have seen straight through him. Perhaps, but let's face it, guys, this is fiction and Prue would have done any damn thing she had been written to do.

It makes more sense, in hindsight, for Prue and Cole to have fallen for each other rather than Phoebe and Cole. SHe was the strongest, the eldest, the one in control. There were sparks flying between the two characters (not to mention actors) with more gusto than in any sentimentally slobbery scene with Phoebe. Despite off-screen follies, there was true chemistry between Prue and Cole and it is a shame (for whatever reason) it was not utilized. Cole might not be the pathetic creature he is, clinging to every storyline like some sheep's dag and Prue ... well, even if she had still been 'let go' what a fabulous moment of tragedy for the show. But, alas, Charmed seems to do things by timetable, rather than because it is the best thing for show and audience. Phoebe got Coel because 'it was Phoebe's turn to have a love interest'.

Okay you started to post so I am going to have my say:

First off everyone has a right to there own opion I admit that. I dont understand why so many people have a problem with Julian/Cole.

Julian is a great actor. He is very talented and let it be reminded that Mr. Spelling hired him to play this character. So Mr. Spelling like what he saw. *bows down to Spelling*

I think it worked better with Cole and Phoebe together. They bring something to the show that honestly Leo and Piper doesnt(nothing against Leo and Piper fans). And Prue and Cole together, sorry dont agree with that. It was so much funnier watching Prue and Cole fight then seeing them in an romantic way.

Julian is part of Charmed, cause Spelling wants him there. He sees something alot of people are missing but if you are not a fan of Julian then I guess you are missing it too. I will always support him, even if one day he does leave Charmed. Whatever he does I will remain his fan.

Originally posted by ColesDemonGirl
Julian is a great actor. He is very talented and let it be reminded that Mr. Spelling hired him to play this character. So Mr. Spelling like what he saw. *bows down to Spelling* I believe that Julian was hired based on looks, which is completely how Hollywood works, particularly Aaron Spelling and other producers who create shows which feature characters that people are supposed to lust after. Julian has a dark look to him and an easily accessible 5 o'clock shadow, both of which lend themselves well to a disturbed and torn character. In Hollywood, unless you have a famous face/name or are immensely talented, it's all based upon looks.

As for the talent that Julian has (or lack thereof), well, I have seen old Profiler re-runs and I do believe that Julian can emote. He can be tortured and shaky (even if the majority of his acting prowess comes from the growth of a scruffy beard). He is certainly no Kevin Spacey, but he certainly has a charisma of sorts to him. Does this mean that he's going to win acting awards? Almost certainly not. Does this mean that he'll do fine on Charmed? Pretty much. After all, this is the same show that touts Alyssa Milano (and her fake chest) as the star over the very talent Holly Marie Combs.

I think it worked better with Cole and Phoebe together. They bring something to the show that honestly Leo and Piper doesnt(nothing against Leo and Piper fans). It's funny that you mention the word 'honesty' in conjunction with Cole and Phoebe, two characters who have repeatedly lied to not only each other, but also to the world in general. If anything, these two are the most scheming of any other characters featured on the show, and that includes all the demons.

Piper and Leo may not be the most exciting couple ever, but I don't know anyone would say that they're dishonest with each other. Perhaps clarification is needed on this point.

This has been one of the most interesting threads ever. I have to admit I'm one of those people who for a while went to every website I could where I might see a picture of Julian, so I don't agree that "he's not a great looker", but yeah, I don't think the show is always demanding enough of its actors, and Charmed is looking so much like a soap opera sometimes. Too true that A. Spelling hires for looks but this is one of his better shows if you ask me. Maybe this is due to the writers and C. Burge. I've only seen a few episodes of Profiler, but Julian's acting was better on that show. This role is too easy for him and demands only overacting and looks. And, Ged, how are things in Earthsea?

Eowyn, it is a fair day. I stand upon the mountain of Gont, looking out to the bright Sea that covers the earth. Above, the dragons fly free upon the other wind, calling to me, but I cannot follow without wings. Behind me stands the forest, silent sentinel and dark, while below, the people of Gont are attending to their daily tasks, unmindful of the world. Same old, same old ...

What news from Middle-earth? ;)

Originally posted by EowynHalliwell
Maybe this is due to the writers and C. Burge. I've only seen a few episodes of Profiler, but Julian's acting was better on that show. This role is too easy for him and demands only overacting and looks. Unfortunately, we don't have Constance Burge anymore to do oversee things. The little bastard Brad Kern took over that role. It's pathetic how obvious the drop in quality is from the point Constance Burge left and Brad Kern took over.

I'm completely in agreement about Julian's acting on Profiler. I used to love that show and watch it obsessively. Like I said, while I don't think he's going to be winning any Oscars in this lifetime, I do think that he did some good work. He's capable of much better, and I really do wonder whether he's bored on Charmed.

Well I like Cole, and probably wouldn't be watching the show if he wasn't around. I think if you are going to criticise Cole, then you may as well criticise the other characters as well and the whole show for that matter. And whoever said that Cole is boring... are you kidding? That would make Leo a complete doormat.

Originally posted by Ellise
Well I like Cole, and probably wouldn't be watching the show if he wasn't around. I think if you are going to criticise Cole, then you may as well criticise the other characters as well and the whole show for that matter. And whoever said that Cole is boring... are you kidding? That would make Leo a complete doormat.

Well, I think it's in the nature of any fan to criticize the character they like the least. This doesn't say much for Cole, now does it? And nobody's saying that Leo is Mr. Excitement. Personally I think he's about as dull as watching paint dry. But Leo's got nothing to do with this discussion.

As for reasons why Cole needs to go away, I think people have covered all the bases. Connie Burge's departure really said a lot to me. If the creator of a show leaves because of one character and his deluded plot history, I think that speaks volumes as to what that character and deluded plot history are going to do to the show as a whole. Cole's presence on the show (during the 4th season mostly) has taken the plot on a huge departure from what it's supposed to be about.

So, that's my thoughts. :D

Originally posted by Ellise I think if you are going to criticise Cole, then you may as well criticise the other characters as well and the whole show for that matter. . Um, yeah. See my comments in the Alyssa section and the Season 4 forum. I have logged in complaints about Alyssa/Phoebe and the crappy writing in Season 4.

It's better, IMO, to criticize and force the writers to sit up and pay attention than to blindly accept the lack of continuity and screwed-up characters on Charmed. If nothing else, even if my criticism never reaches the writers, maybe I'll make a few other people notice what's going on. Eventually something will get to the writers.

To get back on topic, I would like to see Cole stay dead the next time he's killed. Or, hell, he could just take a road trip and never return. He needs to go away. Now.

Originally posted by Ged
Eowyn, it is a fair day. I stand upon the mountain of Gont, looking out to the bright Sea that covers the earth. Above, the dragons fly free upon the other wind, calling to me, but I cannot follow without wings. Behind me stands the forest, silent sentinel and dark, while below, the people of Gont are attending to their daily tasks, unmindful of the world. Same old, same old ...

What news from Middle-earth? ;)

Oi!-as Gimli would say. The Shire still swarmeth with fair folk since the return of the King, Samwise is still mayor, and the grumblers only complain that perhaps old Sharkey just had a bad reputation-was he really so awful? There is one squint-eyed fellow about, a man from the east near the bridge of Goldengate, who nameth himself after Coal which turneth from bad coal to good to cornmeal, and he mooneth forever over a dark-haired witch from the land of Holly-well. He giveth one the Phoebe-jeebies one way or another. That's all from M-e.

Just a touch spoilerish...
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Originally posted by Ashley
Unfortunately, we don't have Constance Burge anymore to do oversee things. The little bastard Brad Kern took over that role. It's pathetic how obvious the drop in quality is from the point Constance Burge left and Brad Kern took over.

I'm completely in agreement about Julian's acting on Profiler. I used to love that show and watch it obsessively. Like I said, while I don't think he's going to be winning any Oscars in this lifetime, I do think that he did some good work. He's capable of much better, and I really do wonder whether he's bored on Charmed.
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Apparently, Phoebe is going to "change her relationship to Cole" this season, & maybe this'll jolt us out of our stupor, and put the focus back on 'the sisters three' for a while. I don't know what to say about what direction the writing is going in. I'm considering writing a spell to wake them up and get Julian back up off his acting butt!

Edited by mod: Please don't double post. If you see that your post is the last one in the thread, click the edit button and add what you have to say.

Originally posted by Ashley
Unfortunately, we don't have Constance Burge anymore to do oversee things. The little bastard Brad Kern took over that role. It's pathetic how obvious the drop in quality is from the point Constance Burge left and Brad Kern took over.

I'm completely in agreement about Julian's acting on Profiler. I used to love that show and watch it obsessively. Like I said, while I don't think he's going to be winning any Oscars in this lifetime, I do think that he did some good work. He's capable of much better, and I really do wonder whether he's bored on Charmed.

Apparently, Phoebe is going to "change her relationship to Cole" this season, & maybe this'll jolt us out of our stupor, and put the focus back on 'the sisters three' for a while. I don't know what to say about what direction the writing is going in.:worry: I'm considering writing a spell to wake them up and get Julian back up off his acting butt!

Well now, seeing we're being a touch spoilerish, I also heard, read, thought, imagined, whatever, that Lyssie said she was getting tired of the Cole character (watch out Julian!), but, in fact, this makes perfect sense.

The problem with this mismatch is that now both characters are entwined irrevocably. What is Phoebe, without Cole? What is Cole, without Phoebe to stalk? I think the writers/producers are going to have to be very careful if they are going to try to seperate the two, because there could be a huge backlash; both fromt he P/C fans who want to see the two joined at the hip forever more, and from those wanting continuity and decent storylines - after sacrificing everything for each other for two seasons, why would love suddenly die?)

Poor writers. I fancy they are caught between a rock and a hard place.

Suffer!

Actully, she's probably getting sick of him because he's more popular at SS than she is. Now, is Lyssie really gonna take that kind of abuse without canning someone? Hmm, doubtful.

I too think the writers have really screwed this up. I have been a loyal fan through all 4 seasons and decided I really loved the Cole/Phoebe storyline. I have watched it grow and grow and was not always pleased by it but I kept watching because I really love Charmed and grew to love Cole and Phoebe together. I for one will be one of those fans who is going to be major upset if all of a sudden it is left unresolved or if Cole leaves the show. Ged you had a great point the writers have done this now I do not know how they will fix it. I am so very tired of the inconsistencies of the writing in this show, I am going to be really surprised if the writers can make this work and have Phoebe and Cole finally be happy and together. I guess I will just go back to liking West Wing where the writing is good and the charaters are consistent. I really believe I am only giving season 5 a chance because I love Holly's acting so much and I still have that small glimmer of hope that the writers can pull all the Cole and Phoebe stuff together.

Well, I wish they would have drawn out the reuniting of P. & C. last night. That was just too fast and typical and my expectations went down. Sigh. I go back to posting in color just to keep up my own interest. I'm sure I'll recover. How did Cole get powers that didn't come from being demonic-he ate demons' souls in the wasteland, or whatever?
Come to think of it, if they'd drawn out the getting-back-together, it just would have been the Cole & Phoebe show even more, anyway. Loved the floating bullets that didn't hit Darryl.:s

You mean they haven't drawn it out for over 2 years already? What are they thinking? We want more indecision from Cole and Phoebe! Yay!

In my opinion. Cole should be hit by a bus, walk under a train. So we see him never again.

He was ok until sluething with the enemy. Then I just got bored. Now Im totally pissed. No wonder charmed has lost so many viewers.

Originally posted by NF
You mean they haven't drawn it out for over 2 years already? What are they thinking? We want more indecision from Cole and Phoebe! Yay!

Nyuk, nyuk! I guess I still like Julian too much to be posting in this thread. I did say I don't want it to be the Cole & Phoebe Show. Keep on Truckin', y'all. Good thread Ashley.

Perhaps you are! Even though they're trying to make us feel sorry for Cole because Phoebe just refuses to forgive him, it's making him even more desperate and annoying to me.

[Two days later, so not a double-post]

In my previous posts, I've been mostly discussing the character of Cole. Now, I'd like to turn the attention toward the man who portrays him.

Okay, sure. Julian was, in my eyes, a looker toward the start of season three. But after he gained the weight, lost the hair, and quite a bit of the acting ability, I no longer find him very attractive at all.

But, then again, I'm not an obsessive teenage girl with Julian McMahon wallpaper on my bedroom walls, so this opinion might very well be lost on quite a few.

Originally posted by NF
[Two days later, so not a double-post]

In my previous posts, I've been mostly discussing the character of Cole. Now, I'd like to turn the attention toward the man who portrays him.

Okay, sure. Julian was, in my eyes, a looker toward the start of season three. But after he gained the weight, lost the hair, and quite a bit of the acting ability, I no longer find him very attractive at all.

But, then again, I'm not an obsessive teenage girl with Julian McMahon wallpaper on my bedroom walls, so this opinion might very well be lost on quite a few.

NF, this quote is strange for you, after all, according to the "What makes you drool over Julian/Cole thread you say that you are "the biggest Julian fan, ever" Or did you say that on that thread as an excuse to blast him? And you are a moderator? My thoughts are confirmed, this board is rigged towards the opinions of the moderators.

i know me too the whole phoebe/cole story is so romantic i mean was they were so great together until that stupid seer made cole the source!damnit but what i think is that phoebe is gonna trust cole but wont go back together with him o wait some thing else cole rocks/julian rocks

Originally posted by NF
[Two days later, so not a double-post]

In my previous posts, I've been mostly discussing the character of Cole. Now, I'd like to turn the attention toward the man who portrays him.

Okay, sure. Julian was, in my eyes, a looker toward the start of season three. But after he gained the weight, lost the hair, and quite a bit of the acting ability, I no longer find him very attractive at all.

But, then again, I'm not an obsessive teenage girl with Julian McMahon wallpaper on my bedroom walls, so this opinion might very well be lost on quite a few.


Ok, I wasn't going to post to this, but I think if I don't, I will chew on it all night and it will just annoy me. So,,,

Gained weight??? Where??? We have seen this man shirtless throughout the past two seasons and I havn't seen it. Did he thicken a little? yes, that called maturing, don't know if you recognize it. He's heading to 40 and he's not going to look like a 20 yr old any more. But you act as if over night he's become Marlon Brando in the weight department. NEVER HAPPEN. He is Gorgeous. Hands down!!! :wink:

List of good looking, bald men. Patrick Stewart, Sean Connery, Bruce Willis, Matthew McCanhey(sp?) did it for Reign of Fire and still looked good. Pretty impressive list to me. If Julian is add to it. so be it, but I really don't see that as a issue. It seems the Julian haters notice this a hell of a lot more then his fans do. Maybe you are watching him a little too closely??? :reb:

Acting ability. I think he has done rather well with the crap the writters have been handing him this past season. He is only as good as the scripts are. If he tries to make it better, you accuse him of over acting, if he just goes with what he's given, he's boring. Whatever. :s

Ellis made a perfect comment earlier and I wish to elaborate. She had commented on how it seemed you all hated Cole. You do. End of story. There is nothing that Julian could do to make any you like him. You hate him, you hate his character and you are happy with that. I guess we all do it. I don't particularly care for the Character of Leo, but I don't hate Brian as obsessivly as some of you hate Julian. I guess we all need a hobby. I don't think it's right that you blame Julian for his character or the actions of. Cole is written that way and I don't think he has much say in it. We like him and I guess in the long run, that's what matters. That we, his fans, like him, and will continue to do so. And that just buggs the hell out of you doesn't it???? :firy:

And as for the last. I havn't been a teenager in a long time. I am 34 and he's not wall paper in my bedroom, but he's wallpaper on my computer. :crazy: So am I now on you list of obsessive teens??? WhooHoo!!!! ;)

Originally posted by Ellise
My thoughts are confirmed, this board is rigged towards the opinions of the moderators.

And this took you how long to notice? :mmm: Most know right from the start. :reb: See my previous post. :) I'm on your side Ellise. You'll learn who's post to pay attention to, and who's to ignore. It's funny how this is a Charmed board but they hate so many of the characters. :firy: And yes, they hate quite alot. I think the only reason they don't knock poor Darryl is that the guy doesn't have enough screen time. :dis: Or have they and I just havn't read that far on the boards????? :eyes1:
That's why we have so much fun on the Julian fan club board. :drool:
For a guy who is a demon, he's got some of the nicest fans. :wink:

If you don't like it here, you're free to leave ;) As for the boards being rigged on the mod's opinions? :s Where do you see that?! :| Last I knew, Rose wanted to please people and has a poll for members opinions on the boards ;) If it were up to me one of her polls (about the language forums) would've never been created, I would've just said no. I did say no in the thread, and since most people voted yes, I assume we'll get a language forum. So much for my "mod opinion" reaching higher than others :rolleyes:
And mods come from the member pool, so it's kind of indicative of what the board is like in general (quoting Imp there ;)). In the begining there was just Rose, Izzy and Ted, then they got mods and such from the member pool. No pre-made staff to make the opinions twoards. If this board is too mature for you, feel free to visit HERE (http://www.charmed-boards.com) or HERE (http://www.theprophecy.net)

what! gained weight are you crazy girl that guys georgeus you dont even know that for sure,and please hes the most georgeous thing whhat i think why cant there be more men like him

charmedmaylin, NF's a boy...man...guy, oh whatever! He's a he :p :$

Originally posted by Paige
If you don't like it here, you're free to leave ;) As for the boards being rigged on the mod's opinions? :s Where do you see that?! :| Last I knew, Rose wanted to please people and has a poll for members opinions on the boards ;) If it were up to me one of her polls (about the language forums) would've never been created, I would've just said no. I did say no in the thread, and since most people voted yes, I assume we'll get a language forum. So much for my "mod opinion" reaching higher than others :rolleyes:
And mods come from the member pool, so it's kind of indicative of what the board is like in general (quoting Imp there ;)). In the begining there was just Rose, Izzy and Ted, then they got mods and such from the member pool. No pre-made staff to make the opinions twoards. If this board is too mature for you, feel free to visit HERE (http://www.charmed-boards.com) or HERE (http://www.theprophecy.net)

One moderator goes all out to criticise Cole then says that he is a Cole fan so that he can post his criticisms on a "What makes you drool over Julian/Cole? For Julian/Cole fans Only" thread only is one example of how the board is biased. That's were I see it, Paige, and the fact that no other moderators have apparently done anything about it confirms to me that you want it to be that way. It seems to me in general that on this board's moderators often curb opinion towards a particular slant. But not to worry, I won't be around to challange your all mighty moderatorness any longer.

I still like this thread. NF, I think you are going around saying nice things in other threads(COLE + PHOEBE=4EVA, or whatever it was you said)just to encourage JM fans to come over here and be shocked when you whack him around. I am not complaining, I am amused and from what little I have read of the Puppet's diary in BB, I think you may be related. Here is your reward for poking at my sensitive Julian oriented soul: NO, NO, he's not fat, he's P.H.A.T.! That bald spot looks cute! He's still a good actor, it's just bad material! Oh rats, I have to go. Now let's see what you come up with.

Originally posted by Paige
If you don't like it here, you're free to leave ;) As for the boards being rigged on the mod's opinions? :s Where do you see that?! :| Last I knew, Rose wanted to please people and has a poll for members opinions on the boards ;) If it were up to me one of her polls (about the language forums) would've never been created, I would've just said no. I did say no in the thread, and since most people voted yes, I assume we'll get a language forum. So much for my "mod opinion" reaching higher than others :rolleyes:
And mods come from the member pool, so it's kind of indicative of what the board is like in general (quoting Imp there ;)). In the begining there was just Rose, Izzy and Ted, then they got mods and such from the member pool. No pre-made staff to make the opinions twoards. If this board is too mature for you, feel free to visit HERE (http://www.charmed-boards.com) or HERE (http://www.theprophecy.net)


Leave, now where would be the fun in that!!! Who would you have to annoy if we left??? Besides, it would make for boring one-sided conversation and you wouldn't want that, would you??? :wink:
as for rigging of opinions, yes, this board is slighted. I think in reality most are slighted to the people who run them. But I think what bothers people is just what Ellise said, that fact that NF made it a point to post in another thread HIS undying devotion to Julian along with another rather insulting post, that was left up in the thread, even when it was stated that those post were not welcome. Then he proceeds to come to this thread and has a bashing good time. Somehow I think that maturity when out the door. And before you say it, he isn't the only one. But (I am having soo much fun with this word tonight) most who come here are aware of this fact and come anyway. Like I said, wouldn't be any fun, you talking to yourself. :crazy:

And I am already on those boards. So is most of everyone here. :roll:

Well, you, my friend, are guilty of the same mistake. The title of this thread is "Free-Range Julian McMahon/Cole Turner," so getting pissed at someone else for posting their honest opinon makes you just as bad as if I were to post a sarcastic remark in a "drooling over Cole" thread.

If you have got a problem with me, or any other member of this "divine" staff, please feel free to address it to the Administrator. Administrator=Rose, not the Cole Thread.

If you're such a protestor to places that are honest and generally unbiased towards a character and actor simply because of the show that they star in, I will reiterate Paige's request to leave, because you're not going to change anyone's mind just because you happen to disagree. It's like that and will continue to be like that. What kind of fun would it be to insert hacks that remove any negative comments about something? Not much at all, actually.

I'm only going to address these one more time, since it's obvious that you can't take an opinion that is not yours as anything but ignorant:

Julian DID gain weight last season. He seems to have lost a lot of it, but it was just an observation, and I was not referring to you in particular. There's no need for some personally offended rant on how he hasn't gained weight.

I will admit to my post in the "What makes you drool..." thread was immature, but it was also months ago. Yet, it is still being brought up to this day. The reason I posted it there was because, frankly, I thought it was a stupid thread, with all the potential in the world for spam mulitplication and nothing more. But hey, if you guys want a place to post about your devotion without feeling the need to post anything that would inspire an actual conversation (Which, might I remind you, is what these places are for), then be my friggin' guest. I'm not posting there anymore, and haven't been for quite some time. We're both adults here, but only one of us has dropped it.

Personally, I see no reason to be 'drooling' over Cole. His character is awful and I am of the opinion that Julian McMahon is no spectacular actor, whatsoever. The fact that it's due to his presense that Phoebe became so DAMN unlikable does not help his case either. Phoebe used to be my favorite sister.

myrrhlynn, if you have any other complaints/slams you'd like to throw my way, do it in PM Land.

This is stupid and ridiculous. I created this thread because there were all sorts dedicated to "drooling" over JM. Moderators were actually holding up to that ridiculous "JM fans only" disclaimer in the title and no one had anywhere to go with their honest and unbiased opinions. Why this starts a huge debate is beyond me.

You don't see most people going over (now) and starting problems in the other JM threads. Why come over here and start problems, then? The purpose of this thread is obviously to get all opinions. If you're not mature enough to handle reading Julian criticisms, then maybe you should stick to the other threads. I know I certainly don't go over and start fights in the worship threads.

Oh, and to add another opinion here, I do think Julian sucks as an actor. I have no idea about him as a person, but I'm going to be forever grateful if his character finally bites the dust for good.

Wow. Looks like I missed a bit on this thread. *hehe*


myrrhlynn & Ellise - I'm not sure what your gripes are for, but moderators at TS3 have just as much a right to voice their opinions and discuss as any other member. Just because a person moderates on this board doesn't mean they have to change their opinion to just absolutely love every character and actor/actress on the show. That would be ignorant to think they need to do, let alone to expect them to. TS3 allows opinions and welcomes them. If you don't like the opinion of another, challenge it and support your own opinions. But don't bitch just because moderators don't wear rose-colored glasses with which to see the Charmed Universe. Like Paige said, if you want everyone to have the same opinion visit the boards she linked.

Just to clarify Ashley..

The reason I put that disclaimer in the "drooling" thread was because
1) The intended topic of that thread was praise for Julian McMahon and as forum rules should state, we like to keep threads on topic. That thread will stay open as long as it's on topic and not overly spammish, and
2) I was just trying to prevent complaints from fans like "Oh this person keeps coming into our praise thread and trashing Julian" or "This forum is full of Julian haters" So I moderated that thread so that all non-praise posts stay out of it. It was a pre-emptive peace making attempt, so that Julian fans had their one thread to discuss Julian in a positive light, and
3) I believe there is only one thread where I have singled out as solely for Julian praise. You're free to say whatever you want about Julian elsewhere in the Men of Charmed forum and elsewhere at TS3 (within reason and under the discretion of the rest of the staff).

With all of that said, Ashley is right about one thing. If you can't maturely discuss the good and bad of Julian without getting rude towards one another or switching to irrelevant topics, then don't discuss it at all. This thread is about Julian McMahon. The discussion in here has nothing to do with whether or not the forum staff is biased in their moderation. We may openly voice our opinion of one thing or another, but we don't delete/moderate posts based on whether or not we like a certain actor/actress. The threads in these forums are posted by members, and how they are moderated depends on whether or not the members are following TS3 Guidelines.

So, I believe I've said all I need to say here. Please feel free to continue discussing Julian no matter what your opinion is.

Talula, I wasn't criticizing your moderation of that thread. It may have sounded like that, but I was actually criticizing the idea of a thread dedicated to drooling over JM. :reb: Sorry about that.

Might I add some shock value in admitting that I support that brand of critique, Ashley?

You may, but it doesn't mean I'll listen to it... ;)

My latest insult to throw out is that JM needs to shave his freaking chest. Small children could choke and die in all that hair.

Now, this is of course assuming that small children often lick said chest hair, which I'm afraid is far too disturbing for someone as sound-minded as myself to think about, Ashley.

/me goes back to ignoring Ashley.

Riiiight. You're sound-minded? Hell will freeze over and pigs will fly.

/me goes back to ignoring NF.

JM. He's gross. He lets little children lick his chest and choke on the hair balls that are created.

Has anyone seen Ashley?:uhh:

Cole? I think Cole needs to die, and soon. Guess what? The other day, [Someone who will remain unnamed until they see this post and come forward] told me that Julian's run on Charmed ends in January. Allow me to throw the celebratory emoticonic confetti:


~¤*¤~¤*¤~¤*¤~¤*¤~¤*¤~~¤*¤~¤*¤:flo:~¤*¤~¤*¤~¤*:bye: ¤~~¤*¤~
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/me basks in the thought of Julian's absence.

Hey you two - keep it on track. Spamm will be deleted.

Well, I was keeping on-topic with at least one sentence in every post about JM. So technically, no spam there.

Oh, and I truly do believe he lets little children lick his chest hair. He's a hazard to all creatures living, I tell you. :mmm:

Oh, and btw, the other day I noticed that I do believe the stylists on Charmed are puffing up his hair to hide the fact that he is balding. Now, I'm not trying to make anyone upset, but I do believe he is a likely candidate for the Hairclub for Men.

I've noticed the balding. It's all thin and puffy, where it used to be thick and wavy.:reb:

Yet another characteristic to add to the growing list of bad qualities. Poor Julian. If he wasn't such a creep, I'd almost feel sorry for him.

Originally posted by Ashley
Oh, and btw, the other day I noticed that I do believe the stylists on Charmed are puffing up his hair to hide the fact that he is balding. Now, I'm not trying to make anyone upset, but I do believe he is a likely candidate for the Hairclub for Men.

:laugh: :roll: lmao

I noticed it too. It's like they made a rug and put it on top of his head, fluffed it up and tried to pass it off as real hair...What a shame.

I'm a bit of fan but I just wanted to comment on the rug cause it looks really bad...Sorry I mean his Afro!

Okay - I'll try and be succint!

I'm fairly new to Charmed but I have now seen all 4 seasons.

P/C was what got me hooked on the show but I still loved S1 and 2.

I don't think Julian's the greatest actor but I like his tics and mannerisms very much and I sure as hell like looking at him! I thought he played Cole perfectly and he brings a malevolent charm to the show which is very enjoyable. Basically I am a Cole lover and I will be devastated when he goes.

Coming late in to the fandom I am shocked at how many anti P/C or anti Phoebe or anti Cole fans there are on-line.

I don't believe there is any way that Phoebe could have murdered Cole in cold blood in S3. The demon bounty hunter taunted Cole for having a weak human side thus confirming Cole's story that he was half human. Once she knew he had a human soul and coupled with her great passion for him, I totally get why she didn't vanquish him then. Killing a human in the heat of battle/defensively is one thing but it's usually a last resort. Besides, they had a vanquishing potion and they knew how to summon him. She had to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Phoebe and her sisters have all been evil at one time or another and they don't get so much as a ticking off. Heck, Piper once 'killed' Leo.

I really thought that they would go the slow route this season to reuniting P/C and I think it's a huge let down that they've backed off. I felt I was lead to believe that we were seeing an epic love story in the making.

I was looking forward to great character growth and development for Cole and Phoebe separately before they got back together. I thought their chemisty was awesome prior to this season.

What a terrible waste of a great character. I shall miss Julian very much. Dependent on the type of ending they give him I don't know if I will be able to sustain my interest. I really like seeing one of the sister's having a mythic romance and I don't know how they would replace P/C.

Phoebe and her sisters have all been evil at one time or another and they don't get so much as a ticking off. Heck, Piper once 'killed' Leo. All those times, no other sister ever had near the same amount of a choice in the matter, as Phoebe did. Repeatedly, she CHOSE to go for Cole instead of be a Charmed One, and I very much think that's different. When the others were evil? Posession or spell, as best I can remember.

Phoebe was also under a spell (by the evil potion ;)) but again, that was after she chose to be with cole.
She then choose not to take the potion, and to be a charmed one. And then, she decided "Oh, I don't love cole anymore" so she and her sisters vanquish him.
And now, once again, we are in the boring mist of "Will Cole And Phoebe hook back up, or won't they?" :rolleyes:
Aiya. Oh the complicated life of phoebe who can't make up her damn mind :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Ged
Well, let's not forget that Constance Burge, the creator of the show, was the first to run screaming from the coupling of Cole and Phoebe, claiming the pair had no chemistry.

Ged, where'd you read this? As far as I know, Burge left the series after the second season to pursue developing pilots for other networks.

Good lord, I can't even remember where I read it now, but it was certainly true (that I read it, not that it actually happened ;) ). But I read it several times in several different TV related articles and at several different times. It wasn't a one-off remark. Apparently it was one of the main reasons for the falling out between Burge and others - she didn't want McMahon, everyone else did.

Well, she was the only part of the staff who had any frigggin' sense. Julian and Alyssa had/have zero chemistry, and I can't help but attibute at least a part of that to Alyssa Milano's utter lack of ability to emote. When she looks bored, how could anyone else be entertained?

Ged, I believe I read the same thing somewhere, but I can't remember the source, either. Unfortunately, I'm at work right now and barely have time to do this post, so I can't go searching. Maybe later.

I really think the quality of Charmed fell quite a bit when Connie left and that hack, Brad Kern, replaced her. She really knew her characters and had them progressing along nicely. But this isn't the Connie forum (sadly, she doesn't have one at all), so I'll leave my other comments about her unsaid.

As for Julian, well, I have nothing else to add to what I have said before. I think he's rather talentless, except for a few times when he's gotten lucky during an episode, and I really am annoyed by Cole. Beyond that, there's not much else to be said.

Count me in the column that thinks Julian is as talented as AM is. And as hairy. On his body anyway. Sad thing he's suffering from MPB. His looks are really the only thing he's got. And with all that hair on his chest he can't really show off his physique.

I didn't like him when he was on Profiler either. His character, John whatever, was a whiny idiot. And Julian couldn't act then. But he was also cast with Ally Walker, who can act. So, maybe it's not so fair to compare him to someone with, you know, actual talent.

So, to sum up my post, Julian loses in the talent and looks category. He just does nothing for me. Never has and I fear never will.

:be: :be: :smile: :shout: :rodent: :laugh: :wink: :flower:

Originally posted by stealingbooty
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I love the Cole/Phoebe storyline. I just hope they get back together soon. They belong together. They are Soulmates. Phoebe just has to realize that cole would never hurt her. he loves her and would do anything she asks.:smile:

Yeah, he would do anything she asks, but his means for accomplishing the ends she wants isn't exactly kosher with anybody, even her. I think the big example was how he handled that slumlord with the video tape in Magic Wears a Mask. He killed the dude to protect Phoebe. Sure it got what Phoebe wanted--it kept her from being exposed. But the way he kept her from being exposed wasn't right, and he's never going to realize that as long as he walks around with his Phoebe-love-blinders on.

I always thought cole was an interesting wild card when he FIRST arrived to Charmed...but after the climax and major tragedy of season 3........i didnt see the need for him.....and looking that plot of the season3 finale..did it realy make sense? i mean why did pheobe NEED to go to try to "save" him from himself when there was a powerful demon rampaging around town and clearly the sisters needed to be together to face him?

so many things went wrong when brad kern took over and cole's lingering around is one of them..i mean what is his purpose now? he is like a "nothing being" with vast power....and as for Julian's looks, well like Alyssa's , they seem to be fading.


I thought i was the only one who was thinking that Prue and Cole shouldve been the ones to hook up. Prue was the strongest, most powerful and most cutting edge....she needed a man who could match her and at that time, Cole was definately it. With her death...Cole wouldve been left without purpose and the other sisters couldve vanquished/ killed HIM for vengeance..along with Shax.

I couldnt agree more with NF's assesment of the showing turning into "the half demon and his girlfriend and the two witches who tag along to say spells" (paraphrasing there). Cole the character is not so interesting , nor so important that he needed to be in the spotlight with Phoebe for nearly the whole of season 4 and the show's quality PLUMMETED because of that.

Cole's death in season 4 shouldve been final. it looked to be a major point of closure and gave a hope that the show would finally get back to being about the SISTERS...not Phoebe and her demonic boyfriend.

Nah, DC. Many people thought that Cole and Prue should've been the ones to get together, especially after seeing Charmed Goes to the Wild West. :wink:

Once again, last night, it was obvious how quickly Julian is balding. As if that wasn't bad enough, I truly thought his acting last night was atrocious. It's pretty obvious that he's no longer enjoying his job and really does not care at all. I read the script for this episode before seeing it, and I thought that I'd really like Cole again after seeing everything acted out, even though it was obvious that the writers were once again playing with the affections of the viewers.

However, it turned out to be just the opposite. Julian is not even trying anymore. It was almost painful to watch his scenes, which is really saying something. In an episode where all the plotholes really should've stood out (since there were at least half a dozen), Julian stood out as no-talent hack. I'm really disappointed, too, because it's usually Alyssa who I pick on as the no-talent. :firy: If Julian continues with his "I don't give a shit" acting, then I'm going to start counting down the days, hell, the hours, until he's gone.

I agree, Ash. Last night Julian's acting was actually making me cringe, which is usually what I do when Brian tries to emote. As much as I don't like Julian I can honestly say that his acting had been adequate. Not stellar or stand out but adequate all the same. After last night I can no longer say that. He was horrible. I think you're right. Julian wants out of the show and is not giving his all. That's a shame. Because anytime someone starts comparing his acting to Brian then you know that his acting is abysmal.

he does seem so inconsequential. his vast powers dont really add to his appeal..in some ways though reminds me of DarkPhoenix especially when it comes to him possibly losing control at anymomemnt. But at least she was a captivating character.

right now, Brad Kern has admitted that they are playing up the "sexy aspect" of the show and so if they do manage to turn it into a pg 13 version of melrose place:D maybe they can make cole a bit interesting by having him hook up with Paige.

Don't even think that, please. One sister turned into a "love" sick puppy by Cole is more than enough.

Best, Raptor

Somehow, I just don't see Paige falling for Cole in the same way that Phoebe did. Phoebe actually was like a little lost puppy, willing to follow Cole into the depths of forever. There's no way that Paige would be that desperate or that easily controlled. Phoebe was manipulated into becoming evil and marrying Cole and everything else that went on during Season 4. Paige is smarter than that and wouldn't have mindlessly believed every bit of Cole's bullshit. In fact, it's likely that Paige wouldn't have gotten involved with Cole in the first place.

Think of it this way. The way Phoebe is heading, she is seemingly out to become the Alexis Carrington of the Manor - bitch, bitchier and bitchiest. The only way to redeem her character is for another to become even more evil than she (is that possible?) thus garnering sympathy and having the audience gasp a collective, "Ahhh! Phoebe was right, after all!"

Thus, a coupling of Paige and Cole could work if he used her to suit his own evil ends - either to make Pheobe jealous and bring her running (remember this is his clouded and love-lorn mind working overtime) or simply to torture Phoebe and "punish" her for rejecting him. Now, while I think this makes for a fantastic psychological journey, it requires a finesse that neither Brad Kern nor his writing staff appear to possess. Nor, do I think, would it be appreciated by the wider audience, considering their young age and even younger mentality. Pity, 'cause it could be great.

Originally posted by Ged
Thus, a coupling of Paige and Cole could work if he used her to suit his own evil ends...Now, while I think this makes for a fantastic psychological journey, it requires a finesse that neither Brad Kern nor his writing staff appear to possess. Nor, do I think, would it be appreciated by the wider audience, considering their young age and even younger mentality.
This is actually where I hoped they were heading with Phoebe and Cole in the beginning. For a while, the writers were making him unrepetantly, gloriously Evil. He was the one being who could finally create discourse between the Charmed Ones and take them down from the inside, then finish them off when they were at their most vulnerable. It would've been a fantastic to watch. Cole would've eventually been vanquished in a blaze of evil glory, being remembered as the greatest foe the Charmed ones ever faced and Piper, Prue and Phoebe would've been much stronger, in powers and bonds, for the whole ordeal.

Unfortunately, not only do the writers not have the finesse to pull this off, but they also don't have the balls to do it. It's a pity. It could've been a fantastic storyline. :dis:

And I'm thinking if that had happened, Shannen Doherty would still be on the show.

Really what gets me the most about Cole is how he keeps his eyes open when he kisses Phoebe. That's so sick! Ewwwwwww! He looks like a big creepy pervert... oh wait, did I say LOOKS?

Well...I know quite a few people who do that, but I've never thought of them as perverts before. Should I have? Did I miss a page in the "Guide to Perverts" handbook that mentions that trait? :uhh:

Cole is just creepy, and Julian's acting is only getting worse. Obviously, most of us are ready to go. He is, too. In my opinion, the minutes he asked to be released from his contract, they should've written Cole out. It would've been abrupt, yes, but we wouldn't have had to sit through a bunch of bullshit about Cole being good, then evil, then not good or evil.

Ok first I am going to confess something which seems to be a mortal sin on these boards: I am a Cole and Pheobe fan. Now I'd like to say that I don't like the direction it has taken in S5. Yuck. But I loved the Season 3 and most of Season 4.

Now IMHO they should have left Cole dead after LLTQ. It was a great episode and handled his death with some dignity. Instead we were strung out with this first half of Season 5. Not even Cole fans have enjoyed this.

No, what the Cole fans don't like is the fact that phEobe has finally got the sense to kick Cole out of her life... or at least try to.

They don't like the fact that she is "Like totally be a compleeeeete and utter bitch to him!!"£!£"£!"£"!$$$!!!"

Stupid teenyboppers :uhh:

I hope that teenyboppers line wasn't aimed at me since I am two years older than you! :D

And I really do think she has been mean, which is not like Pheobe. Cruelty was never a part of her character before this. She has always been a little selfish, but S5 it has just ballooned! She is blowing off everyone, even her sisters. I really don't think it is about her "having the sense to kick Cole out of her life". To me, she is just being selfish and not wanting to make an effort anymore.

Think about it. If you'd been put through as much shit by your boyfriend as Phoebe has, would you still want to 'make it work'? Love or no, everybody has their limits and sometimes they can be pushed so far that no matter how they feel, they simply won't let themselves feel certain ways. I can't believe I'm sympathising with The Feebs here but let's give her some credit. When it comes to Cole she's a bit of a glutton for punishment but after three years of his crap she's finally turning her back on him. Thank god.

I haven't seen or read the spoilers for S5 so I can't really comment on what's happening but from what I've heard it sounds like she's finally doing what she should be - getting rid of that evil ho-man.

Well, Calyspo. If you post like "Like totally be a compleeeeete and utter bitch to him!!"£!£"£!"£"!$$$!!!" that, then yes it is aimed at you. But you don't seem to... so its probably not aimed at you :wink:

And another thing about phEobe being a 'bitch'. Why shoudn't she be one? She tried to break up with Cole lots of different times before turning to the bitchy approach.

Originally she told him to go away and never come back, that was right at the beginning when she didn't vanquish him and it all went wrong.
Then he came back and went evil a few dozen times, she told him to go away and that he wasn't worth saving. That was with the whole potions debacle. But then she did go and 'save' him... and in doing so got Prue killed.
Then he turned into The Source. She vaquished him. He came back. She told him to move on and that it wasn't healthy. Did he? Nope, he kept on pursuing her... and she kept on telling him to go away again and again and again.

Looks to me like he didn't leave her any choice. He's quite pathetic if you think about. If he was mortal she'd have got a restraining order long ago.

:flo:

On Sunday, January 19th 2003, Cole Turner died in a San Francisco demonic pulse point in an alternate reality at the age of 118. Surviving him are his ex-wife, his ex-wife's everlasting silicon implants, and a messy spread of memories riddled with annoyance and redundancy in the hearts and minds of all the millions who watched him dig at the hole that was previously a mountain of respect, stemming from October of 2000.

By some, he will be greatly missed. Those people believe in their hearts that he brought magic and life to the Charmed Ones' world, and easily covered up the recycled situations with a big smile and a comb-over. To those people, I extend my deepest condolences.

For everyone else, the "wake," celebrating Cole's eternal fiery torment will take place at my house tonight at around 11ish. Kegs and pizza will be provided, as well as a DJ. And please, guys, if you must get it on, make sure it's not on my bed this time.

R.I.P., Cole Turner/Belthazor/The Source/Whiney Lovepuppy

Love,
NF

Good stuff. I'll bring the margarita's (sp?)

It was well over due but there it is, JM/CT gone forever, no longer a tourterous sub-plot for a great show that always deserved better.

Yes I was disppointed by his eventual vanquish. It was anti-climatic to say the least. But there you have it. Long gone and dead forever more. What took so long!

Anti-climactic, alright. Did I miss the party? I have some raspberry tarts, honeycakes, and a flask of Old Foglifter I got for a party in Hobbiton...what the hey, a party's a party...

More Cole bashing rather than appreciating the character for what he was. And trying to remember the good times. Not my fault that Phoebe had attachment, and social anxiety issues. Cole was one of the best thigns that ever happened to the show. If you wasnt to bash do it to the person that really deserves it....PAIGE!

Originally posted by cole-rox
More Cole bashing rather than appreciating the character for what he was. And trying to remember the good times. Not my fault that Phoebe had attachment, and social anxiety issues. Cole was one of the best thigns that ever happened to the show. If you wasnt to bash do it to the person that really deserves it....PAIGE!


Please do explain how you think Cole was the best thing that ever happened to the show. Besides causing the sisters much more emotional anguish than any person really deserves - not to mention turning each other against one another, posing a constant threat to the legacy of the Charmed ones, and being an all out asshole, - what exactly did "Cole" do to promote the show better than it had been prior?

Besides saving all their lives on a daily basis, and ensuring their continuity? He pretty much single handly reconstituted the charmed ones after Prue died. If it weren't for him there would be no charmed ones. Because Paige would be dead. And if she were dead Phoebe and Piper would have been vulnerable, and ultimately died too.

Originally posted by cole-rox
Besides saving all their lives on a daily basis, and ensuring their continuity? He pretty much single handly reconstituted the charmed ones after Prue died. If it weren't for him there would be no charmed ones. Because Paige would be dead. And if she were dead Phoebe and Piper would have been vulnerable, and ultimately died too.

Wow. I must have watched a different show you did. Because the show I watched pretty much showed Cole trying to KILL the charmed ones, repeatedly. He saved face a few times near the end when he was vulnerable and had no powers - he tried to help here and there. But he was in no way a "saving force" for the girls.

Originally posted by cole-rox
Besides saving all their lives on a daily basis, and ensuring their continuity? He pretty much single handly reconstituted the charmed ones after Prue died. If it weren't for him there would be no charmed ones. Because Paige would be dead. And if she were dead Phoebe and Piper would have been vulnerable, and ultimately died too.

Single-handedly reconstituted the Charmed Ones? Um...how?

Piper said the spell that brought Paige out in the open. Piper and Phoebe found Paige at the church. Piper and Phoebe helped Paige to realize that the Source was deceiving her. While half this stuff was happening, Cole was lying on someone's front lawn bleeding to death.

I'll admit. Cole was a good character in the beginning...as a bad guy. The biggest mistake the writers ever made was to have him fall in love with Phoebe and try to be good. If he had been the one season big bad like he started out to be, things would've been a lot better.

The only time that I can recall that Cole was really useful in S4 was when Piper was on a rampage and he subjected himself to the wrath of the furies to lure Piper to the Manor. Otherwise, not much going on there other than pain and emotional trauma.

Besides saving all their lives on a daily basis, and ensuring their continuity? He pretty much single handly reconstituted the charmed ones after Prue died. If it weren't for him there would be no charmed ones. Because Paige would be dead. And if she were dead Phoebe and Piper would have been vulnerable, and ultimately died too.

cole-rox, yours is the ideal statement any blinded-by-sapiness Cole fan would cherish as their motto. It is because those who believe this way will never ever be persuaded otherwise, that I have recently chosen not to debate with them, but rather don my Immaturity Cap, point, and laugh.

:laugh:

I dunno if this has been said but I hate the way Julian kisses! lol I know that is a weird complaint. But if you watch some of Cole and Phoebe's intense moments, you'll notice he kisses with his eyes open...and looks very freaky! (atleast to me) I liked the Phoebe and Cole show for a short while in season 3. I really feel that they ruined S4 toward the end with their marriage and evilness. 'Kay, had to get that out. lol.

Hey I'm not blinded by sappiness. I love a good reasonable logical debate. Good for the soul and it allows others to put their opinion out there as I am with mine. Anyway. Who went with Phoebe to help her save Paige from Shax? Who informed them that Paige was another Charmed one? Who warned them that the Source was surfacing? Who used his powers to sense the Source and lead them to Paige? Who went after the Source to keep him from following them?- And that's just where I was going with the re-constituted the charmed ones thing.

Now who used himself as bait in HHNF and BD, to save Piper? That stuff had nothing to do with Phoebe. It was about him turning over new leaf. I wanted to be good to be with her at first. then he just wanted to be good. But it's like because the Seer tricked him you all can't see how hard he tried. He risked his life to do all those things I stated above. Can he get some sort of credit guys?

And yeah PiperH I totally agree with you. Anytime they kissed I feel turned off and almost wanna turn the channel. No I'd never turn what am I saying.

"Maybe your baby would prefer to listen to Ozzy."
-Piper: Womb Raider

Yeah, but you said single-handedly. That means alone. That was my point. :p

He did help the team, but really he was a much better character as evil in s3 and the writers blew his potential for a soapy love story.

i said pretty much single handedly

Whatever. Your arguments are based on the fantasy that Cole was an actual person in San Francisco, helping actual witches against the actual forces of darkness. Had they killed him off in Sleuthing With the Enemy, like they should have, I guarantee you, Paige would be introduced in another manner. And it would have most likely been without the creepy open-eyed, drooly kisses (word, PiperH!) and overused, recycled plotlines.

Not to gain too much pleasure from the bubble burstage, but there ya go.

Are you saying that if they had killed him off in Sleuthing with the Demon the Source wouldn't have still gone after Paige?

My two cents:

I admire the guy,he has alot of potential as an actor,they just have to put him in a show where he can work well with it.Charmed was one of those shows.However I think him time in Charmed he went through too many transformations: from Belthazor > Human > The Source > Wasteland >Invinsible....I mean thats too much,its like they didnt know what to do with him.But I think as Belthazor had most potential.

The Phoebe and Cole love story has its parallel's to Piper's and Leo's to the point where they both had their obstacles and struggles b/c of differences,yet still they didnt have to hide their powers from each other.One things is with Cole he was 1/2 human and demon and as much as he wanted to supress him demonic side for the love of Phoebe it wasnt always that easy.

Youd have to admit he was even tricked by the Seer when he became The Source.His original intent was to help the gurls b/c they would have gotten killed and with his weakeness for Phoebe ,Seer used that,however he didnt know when u kill The Source you become it.

The epi with the wizard he even wanted to give it all up but Phoebe stopped him,of course thats b/c she was influenced by the powers of the demonic baby she was carrying in her.


Truth be told,even though Phoebe turned on Cole b/c of the love for her sisters,no man would ever compare to him in her life.After he was her "soulmate" the only man she stated that about.

He hurt her alot,love hurts,but the character went sore I'll admit that.But truth be told,it had potential if he didnt have to leave.

Cole was the hottest guy EVER on Charmed! I loved him good or evil! HOT, HOT, HOT! :D

My two cents:

I admire the guy,he has alot of potential as an actor,they just have to put him in a show where he can work well with it.Charmed was one of those shows.However I think him time in Charmed he went through too many transformations: from Belthazor > Human > The Source > Wasteland >Invinsible....I mean thats too much,its like they didnt know what to do with him.But I think as Belthazor had most potential.

The Phoebe and Cole love story has its parallel's to Piper's and Leo's to the point where they both had their obstacles and struggles b/c of differences,yet still they didnt have to hide their powers from each other.One things is with Cole he was 1/2 human and demon and as much as he wanted to supress him demonic side for the love of Phoebe it wasnt always that easy.

Youd have to admit he was even tricked by the Seer when he became The Source.His original intent was to help the gurls b/c they would have gotten killed and with his weakeness for Phoebe ,Seer used that,however he didnt know when u kill The Source you become it.

The epi with the wizard he even wanted to give it all up but Phoebe stopped him,of course thats b/c she was influenced by the powers of the demonic baby she was carrying in her.


Truth be told,even though Phoebe turned on Cole b/c of the love for her sisters,no man would ever compare to him in her life.After he was her "soulmate" the only man she stated that about.

He hurt her alot,love hurts,but the character went sore I'll admit that.But truth be told,it had potential if he didnt have to leave.

I'm absolutely agree!.
I really liked a lot Cole even when he tried to kill the sisters because he was a demon.
And about Julian McMahon I think he is a great actor and it seems like he is a nice person too ...what else I can say? :)